2. They were born of a Virgin Mother.

3. Their birth took place in a cave or underground chamber.

4. They struggled and toiled for the good of mankind.

5. They were known by such names as Mediator, Healer, Light-Bringer, Saviour and Deliverer.

6. The Powers of Darkness, however, conquered them.

7. They descended into Hell or the Underworld.

8. They rose again from the dead and became the pioneers of mankind to the Heavenly World.

9. They founded Communions of Saints and Churches to which disciples were received by baptism.

10. They were commemorated by Eucharistic meals.

Christianity and many other religions borrowed these ideas from the pagans. It is very apparent that Christianity copied the Pagans, then tried and destroy all the evidence. It is too bad the Christians burned all the Great Libraries during that time.

And such a condition has prevailed in Christendom ever since the Christian religion was first created, organized and established in the year 325 A.D. by pagan Roman churchmen convening at the Council of Nicaea. This Council was presided over by the archmurderer Constantine, Emperor of Rome, who had assassinated, in cold blood, a dozen of his near relatives, including his own wife. And the history of Christianity has been no more honorable than its origin; for ever since Constantine first established it as the state religion of Rome, it has been responsible for the deaths of over fifty million innocent people, under the charge that they were "heretics," because they refused to accept the unreasonable dogmas of the church - including about three million women who were burnt alive as "witches" in comparatively recent times by men who called themselves priests of the Christian religion.

What would the founder of Christianity, the gentle Nazarene and Prince of Peace, think of the crimes that have been perpetrated down through the centuries, in his name, by a church which professes to be his earthly representative - the Church Militant! What would he think of the rotting corpses of over fifty million of his dearly beloved brothers and sisters, who were put to death by this same church because they refused to accept its falsehoods and instead preferred to follow Truth, of which he was the great exponent?

And could a church whose Inquisition has left such a black record behind it be expected to offer us a written document (The New Testament) that could be accepted on face value as the authentic words of a man who taught peace, forgiveness and kindness, rather than bloody murder? And might it not be possible that not only the teachings but also the life history, and even the name of the Nazarene, could, during the course of centuries, have been altered by the ecclesiastical scribes of the Church of Rome in the interests of its dogmas and ambitions for temporal power?

Also, might not the original Nazarene, the peaceful Essene, whose goodness and pacifism extended not only to humanity but to the animal world as well, have been transformed by Constantine's henchmen, the pagan-Roman priests who became the Nicaean Church Fathers, into another man - called "Jesus Christ" - more acceptable to their emperor?

He was undoubtedly the greatest man of his age; and his date of birth (4 B.C. [=3 BCE, scientific]) and period of activity coincided exactly with those of the Christian Messiah, except that his life of incessant labor in behalf of humanity extended for over a century, during which time he preserved his health of body and brilliance of mind unimpaired by the passage of time. He was a supreme exemplar of human perfection - physically, mentally and spiritually.

Over seventeen temples were erected in honor of him in various parts of the Roman Empire. His name was APOLLONIUS OF TYANA.

No more courageous humanitarian and social revolutionist has ever come to this world to help the human race and redeem it from suffering. Alone and single-handedly, he defied the bloodiest tyrants who ever sat on the Roman throne - Nero and his more terrible successor, Domitian. Apollonius fearlessly traveled from one end of the Roman Empire to the other, inciting revolutions against these despots, and establishing communistic communities among his followers, who bore the name of Essenes, early Christians.

And not content with such activities in the Roman provinces, he bravely entered Rome itself, after all philosophers had been expelled from the city under penalty of death by the cruel Domitian; there he openly denounced the tyrant, for which he was arrested and thrown into a dungeon, awaiting certain death which, however, due to his brilliant speech in self-defense and his extraordinary powers of mind, he averted, securing his liberty.

Two centuries after Domitian, the archmurderer and degenerate Constantine sat on the throne of Rome. While former Roman emperors hated Apollonius because of his revolutionary and "communistic" activities, Constantine especially hated his Pythagorean teachings - his strict advocacy of vegetarianism, abstinence from alcohol and continence. Constantine enjoyed the red meats, the flowing wines and the beautiful women of his midnight revels too much to be willing to accept the religion of which Apollonius was the recognized head : a religion which he imported from India, based on the doctrines of Chrishna and Buddha and bearing the name of Essenian "Kristosism."

It was for this reason that Constantine directed his armies to exterminate the descendants of Apollonius' Essenian followers, who were known as Manichaeans. [Comment: For additional information on these Essenian Manichaeans, please see "Manichaeism : World's Most Dangerous Religion?"

Finding that the religion of Rome was in a state of advanced decay and was daily losing hold on the masses, while the cult of Apollonius and the communistic communities of his Manichaean followers, in spite of the severest persecution, kept spreading, threatening the vested interests of Rome, Constantine's henchmen - the pagan priests of the Roman religion - decided to hold a convention at Nicaea in the year 325 A.D., for the purpose of establishing a new religion.

tabby7   Wed 12/20/06, 11:11:22

They decided to take over the popularity enjoyed by the followers of Apollonius, appropriate its essential doctrines (altering them so that they might be acceptable to Constantine), and to replace the philosopher Apollonius, whose abstemious Pythagoreanism was too well known and too much hated by their emperor, by a super-natural Messiah whose teachings would be less radical and more acceptable to him. So in place of Apollonius of Tyana, they put their newly created savior, whom they named "Jesus Christ," who, then and there, was first conceived and created in the minds of Roman priests who were later known as the Nicaean Church Fathers.

As soon as Jesus was put in the place of Apollonius, the task of the Roman churchmen was to destroy all records concerning Apollonius and his Essenian Early Christian followers during the first three centuries, so that the world might forever be kept in darkness concerning this collosal deception and be made to believe that Jesus and the Christian religion, which they originated at the beginning of the Fourth Century A.D., antedated their creation by three centuries.

It was for this reason that the Alexandrian and other ancient libraries were burnt, so that all books written during and pertaining to the first three centuries of our Common Era might be destroyed. [Comment: The Library at Alexandria was burnt on several occasions, both by arson and by accident. The burning referred to above occurred in the year 389 CE during the reign of Emperor Theodosius I. Please see "Emperor Theodosius, Pope Hitler I."]

And so well did the churchmen succeed in obliterating such records that, for nearly two thousand years, the world has been kept in darkness concerning the fact that Apollonius of Tyana was the recognized world teacher of the First Century, and that during the first three centuries, before he was created at the Council of Nicaea, as an alternative Messiah to Apollonius, no such man as Jesus Christ was known to or mentioned by anyone!

No greater cultural loss ever occurred than happened when the Christian mob set fire to the books and manuscripts of the Alexandrian Library [in 389 CE], in order to destroy all records of Apollonius of Tyana, so that the world might forever be ignorant of his existence and of his replacement by the previously non-existent and unknown Jesus, which occurred at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 A.D.

But fortunately, a certain book survived - the FORBIDDEN BOOK - of all books in that great library - that was most feared. It was THE LIFE OF APOLLONIUS OF TYANA, by his biographer Philostratus.

The book was secretly carried to the Near East for safety; and for over a thousand years it was preserved among the Arabians, in spite of all efforts of the Crusaders - in the interest of the Papacy - to destroy it. Somewhat over four centuries ago, this forbidden book was first brought into Europe from the East; and it was not until 1801 that the first complete English translation, from the Latin, was made, in spite of the opposition of the clergy, who, when no longer able to suppress its publication, succeeded in rendering it oblivious and in maintaining the same popular ignorance of Apollonius and his historical significance as existed during the Dark Ages.

http://www.apollonius.net/bernardCe.html .

I have recognized that attitude in you for a long time. If the miracle comes from Science, it's OK, but if from Jesus or me or anyone else having a miracle OUTSIDE OF YOUR SCIENCE GOD your tendency is to deny it or downplay it.

Good work tabby. Thanks for not diappointing me. Thanks too for the name calling {your post: "GREAT WOODY, OZ"}. Your penchant for it has been showing for a long time. I expected more of them both from you, hahahaha. You delivered both to me and I didn't even have to pay Fedex.

I also expected more of the Past to come from you. Ah, the unprovable written histories! If it was written about Jesus Christ our Saviour of Nazareth it was wrong, but if it was written about Mithra or Apollonius it is now supposed to be our New Gospel according to Tabby. Explain that to me sometime, Master. Did you find it in Yellow Book dot com?

And while you're stumbling over some half wit explanation for the gullable, of which I am not one, I will be here to remind you of a new, up to date miracle of the 1017 letters that were condensed by a separate computer entity {that follows unknown-to-me conversion algorithms of http://tinyurl.com}, condensing those 1017 or so letters of my homepage anchor link into this 23 character link > http://tinyurl.com/qmdek . Since in all your knowledge, wisdom, learning and power you still have not been able to decipher the meaning of qmdek, I'll help you > Q Mdek. Your great house of old cards is soon to drop by it. I will let the angels tell you during your last breath, if you can hear it while chanting on about Mithra and the sun gods and astro reality or some other 10,000 years old garbage. Jehovah delivered you into my hands and you will not escape the wrath that is coming.

aim4wood53   Thu 12/21/06, 6:34:44

As for a Christian's "need" for Modern Science, maybe you can shed some light on that sometime also. Mankind has various static needs that transcend Time. One is the need for keeping our mammal body at or near 98.6 or we die. Til I revealed the two engines that DO NOT USE STANDARD FUEL, we did need Science to save us from the cold. Now we do not.

My air + steam engine could be designed and built by a PLUMBER as it is a dual fluids engine. Enginewow.htm & this link tells how it works using a vacuum collapse of steam. Any plumber with a cursory understanding of FLUID DYNAMICS and heat transfer can build that engine, and we can drive and fly anywhere we want, without Science's dominating over us.

There are plenty of plumbers in the Watchtower Society membership. My other engine that creates portable electric power like a step-up transformer, except it uses 186,000 miles per second metal wallop balls & a 4-step power leverage system, makes all the electrical energy power for our home heating & cooling system to make LIVING A PARADISE, powering both our cars and our spacecraft. So the previous "need" for Science begins falling by the wayside into the thorns. What else is left that we need?

Well, we need Peace and Security that we would all like to live a very long time basking in. Is your Science bringing us Peace and Security tabby, or more weapons of mass destruction? Well? Answer me with the only answer you can have > No, Science is unable to give us Peace and Security Woody. That is **THE ONLY ANSWER** you can give me.

Science flunks Peace and Security.  

So, Science is on the verge of giving us a REALLY LONG LIFETIME DURING WHICH THE NATION'S PEOPLES ALL KILL ONE ANOTHER WITH THEIR NEW SUPERWEAPONS KILLING SYSTEMS FROM DARPA. That's the "hope" of your gods, not mine, not Jehovah. The future your gods are offering is one of mass death and annihilation of EVERY PERSON THEY DECIDE THEY DO NOT WANT AROUND ANY LONGER, or otherwise simply decides they are a waste of space. Science is preparing Earth for everyday- and everydecade- genocides TIL THEY TERRAFORM THE PLANET TO THEIR SPECS.

tabby7   Thu 12/21/06, 9:09:37

Anytime superweapons are developed, the religious right gets their hands on them and start Jihad. The Muslims are doing it now, the Christians did it during the Crusades and Dark Ages. The Jews did it before that. Judaism-Christianity-Islam has killed more of mankind than all the religions before it combined.

tabby7   Thu 12/21/06, 9:10:34

And where are those engines Woody? The world is waiting for you to build one, or two.

aim4wood53   Thu 12/21/06, 9:47:45

More of your fallback arguments eh? And now you ask me where are the engines when I told you. Your getting the engines now rests in the hands of Watchtower Society plumbers and they aren't interested in shoring up a dying world under Satanic domination.

My engines belong to a cleansed world, not your preferred world, and the people getting those engines as well as others will be those who show by their Jehovah-cleansed moral fiber they are deserving of them, something your world's inhabitants are unwilling to do. They, like you, insist on looking back like Lot's wife, so you will reap the same thing Lot's wife reaped, not glorious new engines.

You are caught between a rock and Satan's electric chair. The world now is consigned to hissing and a melting down of its elements as per Scripture, not glorious non-polluting engines, remember?

All you need to do is READ THIS WORLD'S NEWSPAPERS > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/business/21pollute.html?th&emc=th  and the damning followup relating the ongoing stagnation > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/business/21pollute.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th  . Tabby, the world as it is now MUST BE REPLACED BY GOD'S KINGDOM GOVERNMENT. How many times does it have to smack you in the face anyway? This world puts ECONOMY AND MAMMON {MONEY} IN FRONT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRESS BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED INTO FOLLOWING SATAN THE DEVIL AND DOING HIS WILL.

When those great advances -like an Anti-Aging Vaccine- comes out, who will get them? THE POOR?! hahahaha You can easily answer that right now just by looking at the ongoing space travel expenditures. WHO GETS TO GO INTO SPACE?! THE POOR? hahahaha The Temple of Modern Science Church takes tax monies from everyone but those who benefit from any Anti-Aging Vaccine or Space Travel has to jump up and down on the puppet strings and dance to the government's tune, like dancers before Pharoah's Court or circus people performing before Adolph Hitler in 1930's Germany.

When government policy dictates war it allows below-minimum wage illegals to infiltrate the borders so their CHEAP LABOR helps support their war. And soon, when the illegals start beginning to realize they cannot survive on those sub-human wages the robots from YOUR SCIENCE will knock them and us all out of jobs.

Which serves at all costs to keep everyone living at the level of plantation slaves, without proper health care, barely keeping their mouth above the drowning line. We are free slaves, free to vote yet kept slaves in an economic prison where our own DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY does everything in its President-mandated power to keep free energy out of the people's {"The People's"} hands forever.

The President's speech this morning, not some old Mithra manuscripts, tells me all that, all I ever needed to know or hear for the remainder of my lifetime. Mr. Stay the Course said he is going to chart a "new course" and stay where we are in Iraq til we'unz forces them'unz to live our way, so they can have their own set of puppet string government.

THE ONLY ANSWER TO ALL THAT IS GOD'S KINGDOM.  

tabby7   Wed 12/20/06, 9:53:13

That is why Christianity won out, it was created for the poor. And since there are more poor than rich people, Christianity is number one, thanks to Rome and the Christian soldiers with their swords. They didn't do a very good job during the Crusades though, the Muslims kicked their you know what.

Don't blame Mithra though, it was Rome and the Jesus followers that copied Mithra. At one time, religion was the government in all the lands, and you don't trust Big Government?

aim4wood53   Thu 12/21/06, 4:47:45

I trust big government completely to do what the big governments always do. Governments assume the position of god and begin doing god things. That's why Science has promoted itself far and wide as our saviour, as it is an extension of that god. I already explained this several times. You still don't get it. You cannot get it because it's too obvious, and you are searching the briny deep looking for what you expect and want to see.

You're fighting an ancient system that no longer sends soldiers to spread Christianity. You're fighting excellently except you are fighting what no longer exists. Big Government and Big Science has now moved into the Number 1 position bringing Death to the masses. Religion is something we cannot escape, tabby, WE CANNOT ESCAPE RELIGIOUS MINDED LEADERS. ONLY GOD'S HEAVENLY KINGDOM CAN DO THAT FOR US, AND SAVE US.

The Temple of Modern Science Church
<> DO WE NEED IT TODAY ? <>

aim4wood53   Wed 12/20/06, 7:26:48

Identifying false religions and worldly governments is not hard to do. Some wear a garment of sheep's covering that they have successfully worn for thousands of years. Others are relative newcomers. You might would think {assume} the newcomers would be "little brothers" but they are not. They have brought new tricks to an old table and they are becoming very powerful indeed. One of the identifying marks of any false system is it plays to our needs, our wants, our desires in some new & awesome way.

The institution of Science is now spread around the globe. It was initially spread by new discoveries everyone thought at the time to be GREAT BOONS TO MANKIND, but when Man kind began warring around the world and all Nations began using scientific-based weapons of war, Science fed it like a hungry beast as it became a ravager of human life.

So is Science our friend or a vicious enemy? It is both. It is a wolf wearing sheep's garments, killing people by the billions whenever it comes time for killing, and healing people by the millions in between the periods of MASS ANNIHILATIONS. Like so many things else in our collective arsenal, the dead and the living are a trade-off. Ultimately Science will manage to produce a vaccine that shows our body immune system how to stop, not just one disease, but an entire complex of diseases. The so-called "Anti-Aging Vaccine" may be just 2-5 years away. Our lifespans could JUMP higher than Superman soon.

And so we outside of Science are tempted to put our hope & our faith in Science, leaving spiritual hopes -that used to sustain us "through thick and thin"- behind. Well, I've got some bad news. As Science increases in the life saving department it is also making advancements in the KILLING FIELDS OF TOMORROW. How incredibly sad it will be to have our health increased, possibly enjoying longevity increases upwards of a thousand years, only to be blasted apart by living armed robots running on an animal-human hybrid brain devoid of any feelings.

Science, for all its good, is still an extension of world governments and does their will, not God's. It will bring Life but it will bring more Death too, more Death than Life as it also performs a population-balancing function. Our Hope for the Future is now what it has always been, best left in God's Hands and the Kingdom of his son Jesus Christ. It is foretold in prophecy that it will bring an end to world governments > http://tinyurl.com/y4hbap plus any extensions of those governments, and that Kingdom will stand forever. The everlasting Life it brings will not be counter-balanced out with buckets of death being poured on the billions of the human family forever.

Living in a gas chamber world is not a real future; it is a false future that appears to render God's Kingdom less necessary, like a mirage. Walking into the future offered us by Science is a mirage of death hiding behind the life it offers to those who feed it. Science then becomes a golden calf that has to be fed every day, fed by the sweat of our brow til we die, becoming in effect an "ever-living" golden calf that accepts daily blood sacrifices while pretending to be our replacement god. I call it the "Temple of Modern Science Church" & the web page can be Googled or the link below.

tabby7   Wed 12/20/06, 8:39:56

It is the religious fanatics that push the science buttons, to destroy those that do no believe their way. That is bad science. But good science is seeing the smiles when people gets their cancer, heart disease, or other illnesses taken care of. Even the most devout religious preacher runs to that science.

tabby7   Wed 12/20/06, 8:42:28

And suicides brings more death than war today. That is something your Johovah or science has not solved yet.

aim4wood53   Wed 12/20/06, 11:16:34

hehehe #1, you continue to use those you slime as your main support for your argument in your first reply, and #2 suicide is a personal issue while war is a predominantly President-mandated activity, which is more apples & oranges from you.

What hasn't Jehovah solved? I've been bipolar suicidal from when I was 14+ years old and I am still here. Some would say I am FLOURISHING given my many health issues, given my doctors fast-track minimal treatment, given the hospital boot out the door treatment {Lewis-Gale Hospital of Roanoke-Salem Virginia}. I've had a world of SUCCESSES fighting off suicide & depression, especially after the psychiatrist darn near melted my brain cells into neuron slag with overdosing of Lithium. I beg to differ with more of your NON EXPERT OPINION.

Jehovah never forgot me; He blessed me. There are plenty of Jehovah's Witnesses succeeding against suicide even with their governments purposely makes it hard on them.

Your flimsy, ill thought out responses tells on you this day. You're sweating again, and hard. Write again when you find some new **original** response or other, instead of consistently copycatting your own previous lame comments. I wrote a long and good post.

I deserve better replies, or stand aside.

tabby7   Wed 12/20/06, 10:08:27

Hear ye, hear ye, the GREAT OZ, er I mean WOODY has spoken.

You keep throwing the same lame excuses why your Jehovah does nothing about the viruses and illnesses that people continually die of, while science continues their research to prevent them. These are the same lame excuses of the last 1700 years+. You seem to be copycatting your Christian brothers back from the Dark Ages.

Stand aside? You getting frustrated that I am still here? I have written a lot of good and long posts on evolution, history, and science, but I never saw your responses. I guess you don't know your science and history well enough to respond.

aim4wood53   Thu 12/21/06, 4:51:43

Too bad I'm not frustrated, then your post might make some sense instead of just being more copycat filler. The level of disease organisms THRIVING IN OUR WORLD is a direct result of Global Warming which your great and powerul Oz Science brought upon your whiny neck, and the rest of us. Science is in repair mode from its own destructive inventions it unleashed upon this world.

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Note: The "Temple of Modern Science Church" was first discussed earlier on the following web page, but this page contains followup thoughts to that page just in case anyone misunderstood what it was and is doing to planet Earth and her poor inhabitants >
../halloweencandyfromworldscientistscomeswith2006embeddedrazors.htm . It is true that the Bible's Promise from Jesus' lips to Pray for God's Kingdom sounds like a 1920 silent movie to many living today but the alternative to worshipping God has been the institution of Science in God's place. Perhaps we should rethink that decision each man, woman and child for theirself. It might turn out to be a plate full of worm succotash.

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Satan's Remaining Jab
at Christians Never Waits Long :

tabby7   Thu 12/21/06, 7:44:25

Gee Woody, you need to lighten up some. You are taking things way too serious. Santa is just around the corner, Jesus is just around the corner, and his birthday is just next week. You should be celebrating.

aim4wood53   Thu 12/21/06, 10:51:10

I celebrate plenty but I celebrate for the birth day to come, the one mentioned in Revelation >
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=12&version=74,
the birth of God's Kingdom that had to wait 2,000+ years til it was time to be born. The emancipation of all men & women from the domination we have lived under Satan all this time is a serious subject, as you have many times yourself noted.

We just differ on the "firing solution". You still think man can do it alone, that we can fight off and defeat the one who has successfully destroyed generation after generation of us barely raising a sweat. You think Science can do it or something, standing in the holy place of God. I do not share your wishful hope, for when the dominoes finish falling and we live long years without disease, we remain, and we are the disease.

Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be **THY NAME**. Thy Kingdom come & thy Will be done {in that order}, on Earth as it is already done in Heaven {because Heaven was cleansed of Satan first > Revelation 12:10 > http://tinyurl.com/ymum8h}, and only then could the Earth be cleansed.

All in perfect order, the orders carried out in their appointed times to occur, right on schedule. And yes, I do celebrate order and timeliness of execution of those orders by a very much living God. I have much to celebrate, and the resurgence of religious inquiry in this 21st Century indicates many others are also learning. Neither I or they are losing the inheritance by people like you, for there's always someone in our lives telling us to "lighten up" and "not be so serious", just as the apostles told Jesus at one point to "make it easy on yourself Lord". We get what the Master got and we like it like that, because when all is said & done we have serious answers for very serious questions.

Did you think I got my many health and non-combustion engines by not being serious? haha There's nothing wrong with being serious but, thanks for the great laugh since I know you to be serious also, and appreciating its value.

 

Continuing the "copycat" discussion to a really great second page >
../globalwarmingpeoplechangedintonewsystemfloodofchristiancopycats.htm